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Looks like I'm going to have to shop for a new browser. Netscape has been giving me an error message a lot lately telling me it needs to close. I thought the fault was narrowed down to a problem with Flash since I uninstalled Netscape and reloaded it without the Flash and it worked fine for a day or two. I got two error messages tonight within 5 minutes so I guess it isn't Flash. I'm not a big fan of IE, mostly because I don't care for tabs.

I've heard of Firefox and Opera but don't know which way to go from here. Any recommendations?

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     I'd LIKE TO HELP, BUT my PC just went down for the count!!!! Of course; perhaps it was how OLD it was (eMachine 333i) But hey, it has worked just fine all these years since we got it in 97!!!!

     Now, we are getting a Dell and hopefully, whatever browser I throw in it will be FASTER than that silly IE browser OR the Netscape browser! I AM quite fond of my Netscape Browser, it doesn't slowdown when I have 10+ tabs open, it MOSTLY does what I ask!

 

     Of course, I am hoping and praying that the things I heard about Dell are over exaggerated!!


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Looks like I'm going to have to shop for a new browser. Netscape has been giving me an error message a lot lately telling me it needs to close. I thought the fault was narrowed down to a problem with Flash since I uninstalled Netscape and reloaded it without the Flash and it worked fine for a day or two. I got two error messages tonight within 5 minutes so I guess it isn't Flash. I'm not a big fan of IE, mostly because I don't care for tabs.

I've heard of Firefox and Opera but don't know which way to go from here. Any recommendations?

Sorry to hear about your Netscape problems. Unfortunately, I do not have any solutions to fix the problem since I do not use Netscape for more than testing new pages with. I do test with Netscape 7.2 and 8.1 and both browsers are working fine with my new pages on an offline computer.

 

As for new browsers, I think Opera may be the best alternative to IE... but all the new browsers have tabs. I like the look of Firefox but every time I load it onto this online computer I get cookies and temp files that set off my security program’s alarms. So, I ended up deleted Firefox off this computer again.

 

As for Netscape, the new version works with the Firefox browser engine so it does the same thing.

 

Anyway, I do not trust Firefox or Netscape anymore. I will only use them on my offline computer.

 

I have had no security issues with Opera at http://www.opera.com.

 

By the way, on to a different but related subject. How many of you trust pages that give you a security message saying that the page wants to run scripts? And, how many of you will run those scripts if you think the page is safe?

 

The new standards for XHTML require the use of some codes that might trigger IE alerts. Some old HTML tags have been replaced with JavaScript codes that may trigger alerts. They do on my offline computer anyway. I am not sure if these codes will trigger the alerts on an online computer though. I have noticed that sometimes a code will trigger alerts on an offline computer more easily than on an online computer. I wanted to avoid JavaScript but the new standards give me no XHTML alternative.  :\

 

I have grown to both love and hate XHTML and CSS. Yes, XHTML and CSS offer far more abilities to a webpage designer… but they also cause some brick walls that make some old, and simple, things very much more complex, or even impossible, with the new standards. 

 

I do hope these new standards will improve with time. Right now some of the head-banging shortcomings are driving me nuts. Worse, not all browsers support all the new code... for example, Internet Explorer, even version 7, lag behind Opera, Firefox, and Netscape in the ability to deal with the new standards. In fact, IE, all versions, handle some of the code, that it does understand, all wrong. I used to think IE was the best (and it still is with regular HTML)… but it is now the worst for web designers trying to meet the new W3C standards.

 

I may have to switch to Opera myself. Too bad Firefox and Netscape went the invasive cookie route or I might have gone with one of them.

 

 

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     I'd LIKE TO HELP, BUT my PC just went down for the count!!!! Of course; perhaps it was how OLD it was (eMachine 333i) But hey, it has worked just fine all these years since we got it in 97!!!!

     Now, we are getting a Dell and hopefully, whatever browser I throw in it will be FASTER than that silly IE browser OR the Netscape browser! I AM quite fond of my Netscape Browser, it doesn't slowdown when I have 10+ tabs open, it MOSTLY does what I ask!

 

     Of course, I am hoping and praying that the things I heard about Dell are over exaggerated!!

Sounds like you have never had to deal with Dell tech support. 

 

I have. No fun.

 

But then, there are not too many useful tech support options with most any company.  :\

 

MSN still has the worst tech support I have ever had to deal with.

 

No, wait, I think it must be Comcast!

 

No wait, I take that back, it is Verizon.

 

No, I think I had it right the first time, MSN is the worst.

 

Okay, I just plain hate how modern business today thinks tech support should work.

 

 

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Anyway, I do not trust Firefox or Netscape anymore. I will only use them on my offline computer.

I have had no security issues with Opera at http://www.opera.com.

By the way, on to a different but related subject. How many of you trust pages that give you a security message saying that the page wants to run scripts? And, how many of you will run those scripts if you think the page is safe?

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Thanks for the Opera link
As for the scripts question. It depends on the site. If I am familiar with the site and  know I can trust it then yes I will allow scripts. If the site is new to me the it is a big no. A very big no.
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Anyway, I do not trust Firefox or Netscape anymore. I will only use them on my offline computer.

I have had no security issues with Opera at http://www.opera.com.

By the way, on to a different but related subject. How many of you trust pages that give you a security message saying that the page wants to run scripts? And, how many of you will run those scripts if you think the page is safe?

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Thanks for the Opera link
As for the scripts question. It depends on the site. If I am familiar with the site and  know I can trust it then yes I will allow scripts. If the site is new to me the it is a big no. A very big no.

I am much the same way with those script alerts. I often say no, even if it is a big commercial site (because the scripts are often for their fancy ads that I could care less to see). But, sometimes the site will not work properly until you do allow scripts.

 

For example, the two scripts I am toying with now that are causing security alerts on an offline computer are:

 

1. A mouse over command. When you move a mouse over a specific image it changes the image to a second one. When you move the mouse off the image, it goes back to the first image. These are called mouseover events. They are in no way a security threat but they trigger an alert in IE anyway.

 

2. An open a new browser command. When you click on a link it opens a new browser window for the linked page, or into a new tab, depending on the browser. The old, simple HTML version of this tag has been depreciated and the only viable alternative I have found, so far, is a JavaScript code that, you guessed it, also causes a security alert in IE. Again, this script is in no way a threat to anyone but IE tells you that it might be. Go figure.

 

I think anything JavaScript triggers the alert, at least on an offline computer. It is true that JavaScript can be written to do very bad things but not everything JavaScript is bad. Many sites use it for many things from simple to complex.

 

Anyway, I am currently working these two codes into my updated pages. I hope they do not end up turning some people away.

 

 

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I just checked, in Opera you can turn the tab toolbar off if you do not like tab browsing.

 

I do not see a way to turn off the tab toolbar in IE 7, Netscape, or Firefox.

 

 

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Thanks Mac. I will certainly take that into consideration.
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     I'd LIKE TO HELP, BUT my PC just went down for the count!!!! Of course; perhaps it was how OLD it was (eMachine 333i) But hey, it has worked just fine all these years since we got it in 97!!!!

     Now, we are getting a Dell and hopefully, whatever browser I throw in it will be FASTER than that silly IE browser OR the Netscape browser! I AM quite fond of my Netscape Browser, it doesn't slowdown when I have 10+ tabs open, it MOSTLY does what I ask!

 

     Of course, I am hoping and praying that the things I heard about Dell are over exaggerated!!

Sounds like you have never had to deal with Dell tech support. 

 

I have. No fun.

 

But then, there are not too many useful tech support options with most any company.  :\

 

MSN still has the worst tech support I have ever had to deal with.

 

No, wait, I think it must be Comcast!

 

No wait, I take that back, it is Verizon.

 

No, I think I had it right the first time, MSN is the worst.

 

Okay, I just plain hate how modern business today thinks tech support should work.

 

 

MACJR

 

LOL, MAC, trust me Crap, uhhh, COMcast is the worst. I however, must tell you that I have had absolutely NO problems with DirectTV's customer service (or maybe I am comparing to Comcast), however, you are totally correct; customer service is FAR from GOOD service overall! I had BETTER CS from WalMart when I looked there and at Circuit City and Target, and WalMart employees couldn't give a hoot whether I was satisfied or not!

 


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Of course, I am hoping and praying that the things I heard about Dell are over exaggerated!!

I don't know what you've heard Walt but I have had mine for two years without any problems at all. I can't really comment on what Mac said about their tech support, I've only had to call them once and they helped me fix the problem within 15 minutes. And it wasn't even their problem, it was a problem with my AOL software.

 

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Thanks Mac. I will certainly take that into consideration.

The more I play with Opera the more I like it. It is highly customizable, feature rich, does a great job supporting the new W3C standards, and looks nice too.

 

Unfortunately, Opera, Firefox, and Netscape do not display my old web pages all that well but the new pages will look better for these browsers. With CSS, I am now able to make the border colors and styles for my tables and divisions look more or less the same for all the browsers that I tested. My new pages will look better for more people, not just for those using IE.

 

By the way, I will be updating the code for this board soon. I noticed last night that the board's table borders really look trashy in Opera, even worse that they do in Netscape. They still look fine in IE though. 

 

 

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Well, that Dell desktop came in, just the way I ordered it. You know, you go online and customize one? LOL, yep, I customized mine without a CD DRIVE!!!!!!! Now I have to wait for them to send one so I can USEW my printer!!!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!  And to think; I was trying not to get any unneccesary things on this pc!!!!!


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Well, that Dell desktop came in, just the way I ordered it.

 

DUDE!  You got a DELL!

 

uuhhmmm .......other than that I really had nothing to add to the conversation

 

My dell works and I have been happy with it. Since, I don't do a lot, though other than, music, word, and play on the internet and probably am not a lot of help.  It does what I need it to do.


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Update: Well, I tried to switch entirely to the Opera web browser but ran into a few problems. 1. Opera does not carry formatting from a web page to Word, and even worse, Opera does not carry formatting from Word into a post… this was my biggest beef. 2. Nope, and even bigger complaint, the text formatting tools for this board are not available in the Opera browser. And finally… 3. Some web pages do not display properly with Opera.

 

There are some features and options that I really like about Opera, but I guess, for now, I am stuck staying with Internet Explorer.

 

 

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I use firefox and never had a problem. I also use some of the extentions they have that make things a little easier. I even use thunderbird for email now, microsoft is in the dumpster with me.

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