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Well, I am a bit miffed. It looks like someone snuck in a spyware program into my main Internet computer. It seems that no matter what security program you have, or how updated it is, these sleazy jerks eventually find a way into your computer. What really galls me is that some mainstream companies sponsor, and use, these spyware technologies… and even some government agencies.

Anyway, in this case, the problem originally seemed focused in the Netscape and Firefox browser folders. I cannot prove that Netscape of Firefox is responsible for my current problem… but the problem was originally rooted in those programs. It is possible that it is just their built-in security program that is conflicting with my internet security program, but the way the deleted problem files magically rename and restore themselves, and move to other locations when their folders are deleted, is a strong indication of a virus or spyware. Un-killable files are exactly what I was dealing with the last time I had a spyware problem.

I have removed both Netscape and Firefox but this did not cure the problem, the problem files just moved to new locations, so my next step is to reformat the computer and start over. At this point, reformatting the computer looks to be the only way to get rid of the problem.

By the way, I will not be re-installing Netscape or Firefox. I did not care all that much for either browser anyway. I don’t like how they display my wed designs.

I have made my critical backups and am ready to reformat the problem computer now. I can use this computer if need be to post again before I get the problem computer set up, but this old machine has older versions of Word and Windows and they are a pain to work with since I am used to newer and better. So, see you all later, after I get back online with my main Internet computer.

 

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I'm all the time running Spybot and AdAware. Between that and AVG I seem to be doing okay.
* knock on wood*
Still I wouldn't mind getting another computer just for the hubby to play on since he seems to have more troubles than I do.
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How I would love to set up a computer that does nothing but sit there and wait for intruders.  When found by these intruders it would send out a ping and infiltrate these thieves of the internet.  It’s time these trespassers got a taste of their own medicine.  I just wish I was computer savvy enough to do it.


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I can't find a reference to it, but I heard of a program (virus?) that once an UNAUTHORIZED intruder gets to the 'front door' of the computer (and when I say unauthorized, I mean not the correct password on the FIRST try), this program follows the , call it a hacker for now) back to the computer and, instead of the usual commands to shut down the PC, this little 'creature' digs down into the root commands and causes power overload that melts the circuits!

 

Personally, since I am NOT 'computer savvy', I do not think it is possible, but then, I am still not all the way convinced that those planes are REALLY able to 'fly' there are just invisible people with long poles holding it up and running REALLY fast!


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Actually, there are viruses that can do hardware damage. They can cause the death of a hard drive and your system BIOS, which makes your mother useless until you get the BIOS replaced or buy a new motherboard.

I have never run into either problem yet but I have heard and read that it is possible. I have personally, accidentally, made a hard drive useless though. I was trying a formatting option that worked fine on older hard drives but did not work as planned on a newer hard drive. It became a paperweight. I suspect this is how the virus works, the virus tells the computer to do a deep level format to the hard drive with a command that severely conflicts with how the hard drive should have been formatted on that deep level. I could write a simple batch file that could do this to someone... if they did not catch on to what was happening and say no to the format… but don't worry, I wouldn't do that to anyone. I didn't like it when I accidentally did it to myself!

Anyway, I am still working on my main Internet computer. I am on reformat number three now. I sometimes will try a few things when installing a fresh setup… which sometimes this leads to another format job… or three, before I give up playing and just set up the computer so I can get back to work.

Also, I am running into some problems. It is getting to be a royal pain to install updates and security programs from scratch. A Windows XP SR-1 disk needs so many patches that it is beyond ridiculous. Worse, some of those updates appear to need installed before I can get my security programs to install and work right (in other words, not corrupt my new setup and make me do another format). Fine, so after reformat number two, I tried walking naked online to get my updates first, before installing my security programs… but I felt soooo exposed. Then, I ended up reformatting again because of another problem that developed. I am getting tired of playing now. :\

I will try again to install the security programs first this time, but without the playing with other options beforehand. If not, there will be a fourth format.

I am hoping to get things working without having to expose my computer to online slime balls for longer than it takes the security programs to register and validate... which is all too long when you are standing there naked online.

 

 

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Aren't there laws against appearing in public NAKED?


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Aren't there laws against appearing in public NAKED?

Apparently, that doesn't apply online. 

 

I was able to get the security programs on first this time and avoid the problems I had the last two installs. So far, no more spyware problems and the setup is getting further along. I am back on my main internet computer now... even though it is not fully loaded yet.

 

I am not fully set up yet but I am getting there. Part of the reason that I am not further along with the setup is that I decided to set up a better backup internet computer. The Windows 98 machine was just too old for half the things I wanted it to do with it as a backup internet computer... so I dusted off my old graphics computer, that has Windows XP Pro on it, and am now setting it up to be my backup internet computer. That should work out much better, plus it is twice as fast the Windows 98 computer... and even faster than this computer, which has been my main internet computer for a while now. Hmm, I may end up swapping the new backup internet computer for this one.

 

Anyway, all this formatting, installing, fiddling with, and setting things up has caused me to get way behind on answering my e-mail. I hope to start working on that tomorrow.

 

 

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I hate spyware and adware....

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I took a more extreme approach with my last "restart".

After grooming my new hard drive and loading XP I also found that to install the service packs I had to leave my security software off. So after I was happy that everything was up to date and clean, I took the old hard drive, cleansed it thoroughly, and backed up my entire system. That hard drive is now packed in the closet, where it should be safe from just about anything

Of course by the time I need it there will be new updates, but I feel better about my potential starting point.


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I took a more extreme approach with my last "restart".

After grooming my new hard drive and loading XP I also found that to install the service packs I had to leave my security software off. So after I was happy that everything was up to date and clean, I took the old hard drive, cleansed it thoroughly, and backed up my entire system. That hard drive is now packed in the closet, where it should be safe from just about anything


Of course by the time I need it there will be new updates, but I feel better about my potential starting point.

If for some reason you should need you backup hard drive next week... there will probably be 32 new high priority security patches, 16 new programs updates, and 5 new hardware driver updates and it will take 30 minutes to download them and 2 hours to install them, and that is if you have DSL.

 

And, to top it all off, when all the updates are installed, the computer will crash and hang more often than it did before the updates... not to mention that you may have to uninstall and reinstall your security program… which will still fail to find, or be able to get rid of, the latest spyware programs even after all of its tedious updates.

 

Thanks Microsoft and Symantec (or whatever security company you use), you are all doing such a great job of destabilizing XP, keep up the good work. 

 

But seriously now, if those blasted hackers, snoopers, and SPAMMERS would just leave us all alone, then maybe we could all have smooth working and fast computers again.

 

 

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Being an old Network and computer engineer...also being seriously certified in microsoft and many other things... I have now decided to rid myself of microsoft! I am tried of fees, contracts, higher prices, and monopolies, constant upgrades and patches.....what next..

so I switched to linux on most of my machines except for one. I will still maintain MS on this unit for OS only. everything else I use will be from something else. mailing, internet, wordprocessing etc etc. so far I have been very happy

BUT I have been feverishly emailing my favorite game people tomake more games in linux versions... My game box is one of my most important boxes..


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