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All right; HERE is ANOTHER 'STUPID' non-news issue:

That guy from Seinfeld has mad so VERY RACIST REMARKS PUBLICALLY!

Sounds like Gibson and his remarks!

Like Gibson, this dude went on the news claiming he is NOT A RACIST!!!

Alright, fine, he says he isn't, but I tend to disagree with BOTH of their claims of NOT being racist! All they said was what was in theri heart, all they did was accidentally (whether or not it sliped by because of alcohol, it could NEVER have come out if it wan't there to begin with, get ME drunk and ask me my thoughts on other races (or my own) and you will STILL never ear anything approaching a racist remark, it isn't there so it can't come out).

 

That, however, is NOT why I am posting this here. What I want to know is where is the outrage when a person of color (that is; a NON- White person) says anything racist against Whites, why is it not covered for the racism it is? Last time I checked the dictionary; Racism was about being judged BASED ON THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RACES! Nothing in that definition said, 'Racism only exists in the direction of White towards other races' Nope, not there. So why does the media (and by extension the rest of the 'world') give a seemingly 'free pass' to these acts? I am not silly; Racism is a human fault that won't go quietly into the night, but it might go faster IF we ALWAYS call to task ANY person/group that makes racist remarks!

In MY opinion; the more you try to pretend it away, hide it in the dark, look the other way, the longer it will remain and eventualy, the greater the damage it will cause! It is like a cancer - you know it is there, but do nothing, all that will happen is it will GROW and destroy!

 

Again, that is my opinion and unfortunately; it seems to be truth of the world today.


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Wonderful point Waltcesca, thanks for reaffirming my faith in humanity.

Spike Lee once said that it was impossible for an African American to be racist. That racism only applies from whites to blacks. The fact that there are a couple of other races on the planet that have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries illuminates Spike's tunnel vision.

I find it odd that the "N" word is so horrible that it has to be referred to by it's initial. We must all know what word is meant by "the 'N' word" but we pretend not to. Ride a bus in Philadelphia and count how many times you hear that word in casual conversation among African Americans, but if a white person uses the word their life, professional, social, and in the wrong neighborhoods physical, is over. That sounds to me like racism. One race can do something another is forbidden to do.

We live in a society of forced acceptance. I don't think that suppressing feelings makes them go away, in fact it may magnify them. If people would just say what they really mean, we could all have a better understanding of each other. We'd be able to avoid people based on what they say, and perhaps they'd learn more from that than just forcing them to hide their true thoughts

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In class last night, we were discussing the anti-discriminatory laws of Title VII of the EEOC. During this discussion, one of my classmates asked, 'What about REVERSE Discrimination?' As nobody seemed to want or know the answer, I pipe in with MY definition.

I told her, and the class, that there truly was no such animal as 'reverse discrimination' Reverse meaning 'opposite' thereby making the phrase actually mean 'opposite discrimination' which would actualy mean 'NO discrimination'. That would be a 'perfect' work environment (as well as a perfect personal life environment). I also pointed out that the misnomer was coined by the media and ran with by such pillars of racial equality as J. Jackson and A. Sharpton. This did not make the term better OR acceptable, it just kept this misleading term out there as the general public refuses to actually learn what words mean and how they go/don't go together. I pointed out that ALL races have racism within them and NONE are exempt from the laws as written!

The instructor thanked me for such a good, and apparently well thought out answer, as wel as the rest of the class. The woman that posed the question also thanked me for clarifying the term.

Oh boy, this class JUST started and already it looks to be a wild ride ahead!

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Reverse discrimination, as I have heard it used means that a person of any given ethnic heritage is biased against their own ethnicity. This bias against one’s own ethnicity can thus be described as the reverse of being biased against another ethnicity. Instead of spreading hate and mistrust to other groups, these people hate their own ethnic group and their very own, inherited, nature.

I have known people like this. They try desperately to fit into another group and do their best to stay away from anyone of their own heritage, in some cases, even distancing themselves from their own families.

Perhaps ethnic heritage discrimination would be a better term for this.
 
Also, I think some use “reverse discrimination” to describe the situation when an individual, or individuals, of a minority ethnic group are given priority over people of the majority ethnic group. The majority ethnic group then feels that the rules have reversed discrimination in favor of the minority regardless of who was best qualified.

 

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I am tired of all this bull[bleep]! I do really beilieve in freedom of speech. the morality police again .......obviously forgot some people.

yeah, he might have said a bad thing but so what.... who cares. now we have all the blacks up in "stupid" arms again. the bad blacks are the ones that cause this crap. maybe if they straightened up thier own vocabulary this would not happen.

well this issues can go on and on.. i am done.

more power to the literate and proper speaking vocale people

Sorry Cyb, you can speak freely here but I do censor profanity in the public areas. I am sure people can still figure out what you said though.  - MACJR


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I am not sure it is fair to say "have all blacks up in ‘stupid’ arms again." This in effect is saying that ALL black people were insulted and that they ALL have their arms up. Even worse, you are saying that their arms are stupid. Do you really think that all black people have stupid arms? Or did you mean that all black people are stupid for raising their arms in protest? What did you mean? I can see the potential for a lot of people being insulted by your words Cyb. Think about it.

It is often someone not being clear about what they mean that cause large scale problems. In some cases, it has much less to do with the thought police that it does with thoughtless speakers. 

People really should be careful of how they say things if they know that others can be offended by what they say. This is just being courteous and sensitive to others, not necessarily and example of being controlled by the thought police.

 

However, being fired for one instance of being thoughtless may be an example of “The Thought Police” in action. If someone says that they are sorry, and mean it, and those who were offended accept the apology, then why fire the person? If this was not a first time offence, but one of several slip ups, then I can understand.

 

Since I have never heard the Imus show, and I am assuming that this is what you are outraged about Cyb, I have no idea if Imus made a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth, or not. To tell you the truth, I don’t even know what he said. I just gathered from the headlines that it was not very ethnically friendly.

 

 

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Reverse discrimination, as I have heard it used means that a person of any given ethnic heritage is biased against their own ethnicity. This bias against one’s own ethnicity can thus be described as the reverse of being biased against another ethnicity. Instead of spreading hate and mistrust to other groups, these people hate their own ethnic group and their very own, inherited, nature.

I have known people like this. They try desperately to fit into another group and do their best to stay away from anyone of their own heritage, in some cases, even distancing themselves from their own families.

Perhaps ethnic heritage discrimination would be a better term for this.
 
Also, I think some use “reverse discrimination” to describe the situation when an individual, or individuals, of a minority ethnic group are given priority over people of the majority ethnic group. The majority ethnic group then feels that the rules have reversed discrimination in favor of the minority regardless of who was best qualified.

 

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I am sure you are quite correct, in this particular example, however, when I was a manager, I was called over to a table of very upset people. One person was even crying so I knew they were at least somewhat earnest in how they felt. What got me was this; I was being told straight lies abut how they were being treated (I was near the table the whole time, they were upset when they walked in the door). Anyway, this was a Mexican family (yes, I know this because the gentleman speaking made sure I knew that) and he was telling me that he felt his family was being mistreated BECAUSE they were Mexican. To quote, 'It's like REVERSE DISCRIMINATION over here!' Now, his waiter was a Black man, and I share is ethnicity. I tried to placate him by tellig him that is NOT how I run my store, and I was sure he was mistaken. But then, when he started speakig Spanish to his family, I knew he was just looking for a free meal. He didn't know that I actually understod Spanish, couldn't speak it worth a darn, but I understand it. I invited him to leave the restaurant with my well wishes and stopped the kitchen from making his order. Now I was being accused of beig a racist and 'reversing' the discrimination! I told him, 'No, I am asking you to leave because you are not happy with our store and there is nothing we can do to make you happy or trust that the service will get any better.'
     LOL, I know that THAT was not the 'proper' thing to tell him, but sometimes being proper is NOT the same as being 'right'. I felt, as did the GM and the Owner (a Phillipino and an E. Indian, respectively) also agreed. I never heard from them again, but that was not the last time I was accused of 'reverse' discrimination (and that was the most 'G' rated thing I have been called/accused of).  LOL boy I really MISS working with the public!!!

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But then, when he started speakig Spanish to his family, I knew he was just looking for a free meal. He didn't know that I actually understod Spanish, couldn't speak it worth a darn, but I understand it.


That is exactly the kind of behavior that gives minorities a bad name. That's not to say that minorities are the only ones who do this but they are the ones that stick in our minds.
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But then, when he started speakig Spanish to his family, I knew he was just looking for a free meal. He didn't know that I actually understod Spanish, couldn't speak it worth a darn, but I understand it.


That is exactly the kind of behavior that gives minorities a bad name. That's not to say that minorities are the only ones who do this but they are the ones that stick in our minds.


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