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Were has our real health care gone?!! Why is it that illegals can get free health care and I can not? Where is my cheap health are plan? Why do I have to spend thousands of dollars on surgeries when so many others do not?!!
Oh this topic has been in my discussions a lot in recent days. I can not afford health insurance?! why the hell not I ask!!! Why is it so expensive? This is going to be a long heated debate from me.


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What I think we should all do, is to go to, say Mexico, become Mexican citizens, then 'sneak' back home, and then . . .


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Great idea Walt............ but with our luck we'd get caught........... and deported.


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Well then, we just try and try and try and KEEP trying!!!!


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excellent idea!! so we get deported... we run back over. woo hoooo

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News Link deleted - because it became invalid.

 

Edited by MACJR September 13, 2007


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WELL it is one )^^$&*& thing after another !@!$$^@#$!@%$ here. I just had to spend a !#@$^#$& 1,000.00 bucks on a crown for a tooth!!!! a 1,000$ !@#%$! tooth!!!

when did dentistry give into extortion!!

!#%#$!@%@%!! aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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be afraid, be very afraid -

Pfizer study shows risk of cholesterol pill switch

Wed Sep 5, 2:06 AM ET

VIENNA (Reuters) - Patients switching from Pfizer's branded cholesterol pill Lipitor to Merck & Co's Zocor -- now available as a cheap generic -- are more likely to have a heart attack or die, according to a Pfizer-backed study.

The findings, which were based on observations from a primary case database in Britain, were presented at the annual European Society of Cardiology congress on Wednesday and will fuel controversy about drug switching.

The British drug industry said in July it planned to launch a legal challenge to moves by the state-run National Health Service to switch large numbers of patients onto cheap generics. Drugmakers argue such schemes are potentially unsafe.

Pfizer's study covered records from 1997 to 2005 and compared outcomes for 2,511 patients who took Lipitor for six months and then switched to simvastatin -- the generic name for Zocor -- with 9,009 who stayed on Lipitor.

The conclusion was that switching was associated with a 30 percent increase in the relative risk of major cardiovascular events, including heart attacks, strokes and death.

The reasons for switching were not given and patients were not randomly assigned to each arm of the study, limiting its significance. Nonetheless, Pfizer said it raised concerns.

Peter Lansberg of the University of Amsterdam's Academic Medical Centre, one of the investigators, said the difference was not surprising since Lipitor was known to be more potent at lowering levels of harmful cholesterol in the blood.


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So let me get this straight. People who take Lipitor for six months (or more) then switch to a cheaper generic brand have a 30% higher chance of heart related incidents, including death?  Of course the manufacturers of Lipitor are screaming that people shouldn’t stop taking their product, causing them to lose money and put that money in the pocket of another gluttonous company, when it never occurred to them that now people have the choice to never start taking it in the first place.

 

This all sounds a little too suspicious.  Sure c’mon, just try our Lipitor (we’ll have you hooked for life!)  Never mind that people are paying a lot more money for this product but then to find out the risk of switching to another (cheaper) product.

 

IF I ever go to the doctor again and (s)he suggests something like Lipitor, I think I’ll tell ‘em I’ll take my chances with high cholesterol.

 

We’re getting to the point that the cure is worse than the disease!


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So let me get this straight. People who take Lipitor for six months (or more) then switch to a cheaper generic brand have a 30% higher chance of heart related incidents, including death?  Of course the manufacturers of Lipitor are screaming that people shouldn’t stop taking their product, causing them to lose money and put that money in the pocket of another gluttonous company, when it never occurred to them that now people have the choice to never start taking it in the first place.

 

This all sounds a little too suspicious.  Sure c’mon, just try our Lipitor (we’ll have you hooked for life!)  Never mind that people are paying a lot more money for this product but then to find out the risk of switching to another (cheaper) product.

 

IF I ever go to the doctor again and (s)he suggests something like Lipitor, I think I’ll tell ‘em I’ll take my chances with high cholesterol.

 

We’re getting to the point that the cure is worse than the disease!


Absolutely correct!!!

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It's getting a lot more difficult to die of natural causes.....


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It's getting a lot more difficult to die of natural causes.....


That's because there is no profit in dying naturally!!!!

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Makes me wonder if my health program was trying to kill me off? Sure looks like it. My guess is that this research was well known by the time they switched my Lipitor prescription for another drug. I never did take it though because I noticed that one of the replacement drugs potential side effects was to damage kidneys... and mine are already in less than perfect condition.

I stopped taking all prescribed drugs after that. These people, the drug makers (the pharmaceuticals) and the drug pushers (the doctors) are not looking out for our health, they are only interested in profit!

Period!


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Makes me wonder if my health program was trying to kill me off? Sure looks like it. My guess is that this research was well known by the time they switched my Lipitor prescription for another drug. I never did take it though because I noticed that one of the replacement drugs potential side effects was to damage kidneys... and mine are already in less than perfect condition.

I stopped taking all prescribed drugs after that. These people, the drug makers (the pharmaceuticals) and the drug pushers (the doctors) are not looking out for our health, they are only interested in profit!

Period!


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I do not and will not ever be put on "maintenance" drugs. What is with every doc and commercial on TV trying to tell you there is something wrong with so take a drug. I do not believe this, do not ever believe this. Of course the drug companies want everyone on drugs, they make all the money!! Get off them! I finally had gotten my mom off tons of drugs and my dad. the big one is always blood pressure, heart or cholesterol. You DO NOT NEED THESE! its called eating right and some exercise. They all brought the cholesterol down just from changing some eating habits.
DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE! there is nothing wrong with you......

of course we all are a little insane.....but that's natural


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