ARGH!!! Designing pages for Firefox is such a BIG pain in the backside!
I can easily get things to line up the way I want them to in Internet Explorer, but what works for IE will not always work for Firefox. In fact, getting some things to line up the right way in Firefox seems pretty much impossible.
Okay, so I am just an amateur when it comes to css and such, but I do know that Firefox does not make anything easy for anyone... unless you happen to be designing pages the way THEY think you should. IE is just so much more flexible and let’s people design pages to their own individualistic desires. I don’t happen to fit in a Firefox sardine can.
Anyway, I am done fighting this for today. For now, and maybe forevermore, the Control Panel navigation links, near the top of the page, will be out of alignment, being somewhat left of center, for Firefox users.
Sorry, but all of us who use IE 7 get to see this board the way it is meant to be seen, the rest of you are just out of luck!
Internet Explorer 6 users will not see everything as it is meant to be seen (I highly recommend that IE 6 users upgrade to IE 7 if they can), but many base style elements will look a lot closer for IE users than they will for users of any version of Firefox.
And yeah, I know, IE isn’t perfect either, but I can do so much more with it!
Quote:Originally Posted by nannyjoI would say that any thing is fine with me but from the past experience I know that isn't exactly true. If the vote goes that direction though, it really is fine for me - it wasn't that big of a deal to make it useable for me.I didn't vote yet because I'm unsure of how choice number two would look.Basically, just like this? That would be fine, for me but could we possibly have that option available for a day or so just to see what it would be like on a large scale or how it works for the different operating systems??I don't want to make lfe hard for you - especially since some of the issue is because of me.
Actually, I did not start salvaging what I could of this board’s old design just because of your browser situation NJ, although that was a factor in my decision. The bigger thing for me was that I wanted this board to be of my own design using as much of my own work as possible (before I reach total burnout and just stick with the canned graphics like I did before, with the old board before this upgrade). So, do not be hard on yourself about having an old browser that did not work well with that canned design. Besides, I have looked at the code of that canned skin a bit more now and see that I could probably have fixed the issues you were having simply by changing a few graphic’s file formats. That skin designer used transparent png files in several places… and that was the problem. If those files had been transparent gif files, that design might have worked for IE 6 (with Service Pack 3).
And yes, I will eventually make more skins for this board. I will try a few different designs and color themes. That will take time though. Maybe a lot of time.
The construction/reconstruction of this board has been a learning process and it will still take a while longer to complete. I have figured out most of the main control elements for this new boards design now, but there are still a few elements I that I need to find, figure out, and then customize. My customizations of this board’s CSS (Cascading Style Sheet) have expanded the number of pages (the number of pages it would take to print the single style sheet) from about 30 pages at the start, to about 33 pages right now. That is after deleting a few page lengths of the canned code... some of which I may restore later, if I decide I want to use it.
I am calling this skin (which is still very much a work in progress) Blue 1. It will be my template for the next board skin which may be similar, or vastly different, depending on how creative I am at the time I am ready to start work on the next skin. But, as I said, it may be a while before I start work on the next skin. I have been working on Blue 1 intensly for the better part of 10 days now. Once I call Blue 1 done, I will probably need a break and want to work on something else for a while, and I do have several other projects on hold right now that I want to get back to.
Anyway, I am still having fun with this board remake and it has helped me brush up on, and enhance, my CSS skills.
I still have a few clashing hypertext issues to work out, a few lines of mysterious code that I have not found a purpose for yet, and I still need to make a few more board graphic elements (and several new icons), but overall, the board's new skin is almost done.
After the basic skin design is done, then I will get back to work on a couple additional graphic projects for the board. These will not be skin design elements, just extra graphics to add character to the board.
Let me know what you all think of what I have done so far. If you find some text too hard to read or you just do not like the current colors, or you have thoughts, or suggestions, about anything, just let me know and I will see what I can do to fix it, or make it better.
I am down to the last few Board Upgrade issues to deal with. I have mastered most of the advanced settings for the board but still find a few hyperlinks I do not have enough control over.
The biggest problem remaining is that my board color theme clashes with the new poll pages. The bottom bar link text on a poll is currently very difficult to see. Unfortunately, those colors settings are shared with another part of the board that I do not want to change. I will have to contact the board hosts to see if I can get them to disconnect the shared aspect of those settings for me so that I can adjust those colors separately.
I may give them a list of a few more shared settings issues to solve too. Fortunately, those other issues are not as big a problem... at least with my current color theme.
Getting the board hosts to solve my issues might be a long wait. They have been overwhelmed with complaints at the mass mess they made of everyone's boards and the many questions from people just trying to figure out how all the new settings work. It's a good thing I had the time to figure out most of this stuff on my own.
I do have to say that the board hosts have been working hard to fix the bugs and issues that I, and others, have been bringing to their attention. This gives me hope that they will work with me about the few remaining issues to solve.
In a previous post, I mentioned that I had expanded the CSS for this board from 30 pages to 33 pages. Well, I maxed out at just over 41 pages before I started thinning the code down by making it more efficient. I am now back down to 36 pages of printed CSS pages (it is all one style sheet but it would take 36 sheets of paper to print out that one style sheet). With a bit more work, I may be able to compress it down by a few more pages. The more compact and efficient the CSS the faster the board will load.
Anyway, that is my progress report for now.
MACJR - Still having fun but about ready to move on to something else.
Today, I decided to give on my color choice for one row color (that shows up in several places). The row color I changed works better for poll page link text (which is the same class as the forum and post/thread link text… but I wish it was not).
Yesterday I discovered that the login page, for people who have forgotten their password, has the same font class, row class, mismatch as the poll pages do. This mismatch probably shows up in a few other places with this new board design too. The board hosts, in their infinite lack of wisdom, overused certain classes in a mix and no-match fashion. Sometimes it works fine, in other instances, their mixed up, but matched anyway, class setting make no sense at all. At the very least, their current class settings, in some cases, severely limit the color choices a board user has to work with for their custom designs.
A “class” in CSS is a nametag that is given to elements of a web page, such as fonts and images, for example, but many other things as well. By giving an element a class, a nametag, a person can make a list of properties for that class no matter where on a page, or an entire site, that class is used. When mixing and matching classes, you have to be careful not to overuse one class in conjunction with too many other classes. This can cause big mix-ups… like I have had to deal with.
A poorly thought out set of class definitions can have undesirable affects. An example: Michael, Walt, women, and people are four class names for a web page (and just like in the real world, people is a class that includes Michael, Walt, and women). Think of the web page as a large room. Now tell everyone in that room with the name Michael to wear only blue cloths, while telling everyone named Walt to wear only red cloths. Now we tell all the women to wear a white blouse, and then say that all people in the room must where a skirt.
Um, all the Michael and Walt’s in the room may have a problem with that last command (I know I would). That is the kind of problem I am having with this new board design. Class mix-ups, and in at least one case, no class name was give where there should have been one.
Anyway, I darkened one row color so that people who forget their password can see the link to have their password sent to them. This color change also helps with the links on the poll pages that had the identical clashing color problem. However, this row color change that fixed two or more problems created another problem, it makes it HARDER to read some of the page numbers at the bottom of the Private Messages page. The blasted board makers forgot to assign a class setting to some of the numbers for the PM pages, so I CANNOT FIX this problem without causing havoc somewhere else on the board.
This has been a constant struggle with this new board design, fix one or two things with a color change only to have something else, or several other things, get messed up by that same change.
I am so frustrated after fighting this new board design for the last three weeks that I am about ready to go shopping for a new board. I hate to give up but I cannot finish work on this board if the very design is fighting me every step of the way.
I am not giving up on this board just yet, but the longer this hassle goes on, the more I do think about finding another board host with a better designed board that I can work with! Especially since the board hosts have declined to do anything with my last few fix requests. In effects, they told me to buzz off, I am just one person. Anyway, that put me in a rather foul mood and did not make me more likely to keep doing business with the current board hosts.
Okay, I am done complaining about this new board design, its limitations, and its customer service.
I am now looking into hosting a new board at one of my web sites. This may take a while and a lot of research, but after a preliminary investigation, I believe that it is doable.
This board's hosting is paid for until February 19, 2010. That should give me enough time to research and set up a new board. Hosting my own board will take some study time though.
Since I will be discontinuing this board early next year, I have decided not to put any more effort into the design and graphics for this board. As it is now, is how it will stay. Those temporary test buttons will just have to do.
All current graphic projects that were meant for this board will be used on the next board, or at one or another of my web sites.
This thread is now closed. Time to move on, or at least start the process of moving on.
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