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here is a reblurb of the mayan veiw in short. have fun

Is there something significant we should know about the Winter Solstice date of December 21, 2012? Yes. On this day a rare astronomical and Mayan mythical event occurs. In astronomic terms, the Sun conjuncts the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. The Milky Way, as most of us know, extends in a general north-south direction in the night sky. The plane of the ecliptic is the track the Sun, Moon, planets and stars appear to travel in the sky, from east to west. It intersects the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius.

The cosmic cross formed by the intersecting Milky Way and plane of the ecliptic was called the Sacred Tree by the Maya. The trunk of the tree, the Axis Mundi, is the Milky Way, and the main branch intersecting the tree is the plane of the ecliptic. Mythically, at sunrise on December 21, 2012, the Sun - our Father - rises to conjoin the center of the Sacred Tree, the World Tree, the Tree of Life..

This rare astronomical event, foretold in the Mayan creation story of the Hero Twins, and calculated empirically by them, will happen for many of us in our lifetime. The Sun has not conjoined the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic since some 25,800 years ago, long before the Mayans arrived on the scene and long before their predecessors the Olmecs arrived. What does this mean?

Due to a phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes, caused by the Earth's wobble that lasts almost 26,000 years, the apparent location of the Winter Solstice sunrise has been ever so slowly moving toward the Galactic Center. Precession may be understood by watching a spinning top. Over many revolutions the top will rise and dip on its axis, not unlike how the Earth does over an extremely long period of time. One complete rise and dip constitutes the cycle of precession.

The Mayans noticed the relative slippage of the positions of stars in the night sky over long periods of observation, indicative of precession, and foretold this great coming attraction. By using an invention called the Long Count, the Mayans fast-forwarded to anchor December 21, 2012 as the end of their Great Cycle and then counted backwards to decide where the calendar would begin. Thus the Great Cycle we are currently in began on August 11, 3114 BCE But there's more.

The Great Cycle, lasting 1,872,000 days and equivalent to 5,125.36 years, is but one fifth of the Great Great Cycle, known scientifically as the Great Year or the Platonic Year - the length of the precession of the equinoxes. To use a metaphor from the modern industrial world, on Winter Solstice CE (Common Era) 2012 it is as if the Giant Odometer of Humanity on Earth hits 100,000 miles and all the cycles big and small turn over to begin anew. The present world age will end and a new world age will begin.

Over a year's time the Sun transits through the twelve houses of the zodiac. Many of us know this by what "Sun sign" is associated with our birthday. Upping the scale to the Platonic Year - the 26,000 year long cycle - we are shifting, astrologically, from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. The Mayan calendar does not really "end" in 2012, but rather, all the cycles turn over and start again, vibrating to a new era. It is as if humanity and the Earth will graduate in the eyes of the Father Sun and Grandmother Milky Way.

Why should we care about the Mayans today? Is there anything we can learn from them? The trees give us oxygen to breathe and help create the nourishing rains upon which we depend, sustaining life. We are missing these rains in places where the trees have been cut down or burned. Fires begin that nature can no longer extinguish. For the Mayans, trees were intermediaries between the physical and spiritual worlds, and absolutely essential to life. They believed that without the tree man could not survive and that "with the death of the last tree comes the death of the human race."



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     While I hear what you are saying, and I agree their level of sophistication is still unrivaled today, however, you do know that the Mayans had no Rainforests when they first arived to South America? They had grasslands and were farmers.

     However, acording to ONE site (http://www.crystalinks.com/mayanhistory.html) it was noted; '

The Mayans were noted as well for elaborate and highly decorated ceremonial architecture, including temple-pyramids, palaces and observatories, all built without metal tools. They were also skilled farmers, clearing large sections of tropical rain forest and, where groundwater was scarce, building sizeable underground reservoirs for the storage of rainwater. The Mayans were equally skilled as weavers and potters, and cleared routes through jungles and swamps to foster extensive trade networks with distant peoples.'

 

     Sounds like they had the same view about clearing the forests for their survival that we have today, farmers clearing lands to farm, clearing jungles for roads, etc. What makes them any different? Their rainforest (which weren't there at first) grew back, OUR rainforests, still have not been more than 20% destroyed, and those areas are growing back. 'Greenhouse gases' will only make them grow back faster, that why it is called GREENHOUSE gases!


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There is actually a ton of informantion on these mesoamericans. I really haven't scratched the surface here at all. But that was a start. This does not in any way just include Mayan's. It includes ancient people from around the globe and what they have in common, which is what facinates me the most. There is more on the migration from african tribes with stellar knowledge that progressed out from central africa and egypt to the whole europe areas.

They are several similar calendars and astronomy that are very close or the same.


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       Oh heck, you are preaching to the choir! I know that 'modern' medicine really came from what the Greeks learned in Egypt, I know that beer was first made in Africa, the first architecs were African, the finest and largest library was in Africa, most of the ancient Greeks and Romans sent their young to Africa to learn. Funny how the history books seem to gloss over that small detail when discussing history. 


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Oh heck, you are preaching to the choir! I know that 'modern' medicine really came from what the Greeks learned in Egypt, I know that beer was first made in Africa, the first architecs were African, the finest and largest library was in Africa, most of the ancient Greeks and Romans sent their young to Africa to learn. Funny how the history books seem to gloss over that small detail when discussing history.



I think most people consider Egypt and Iraq to be cradles of civilization. Just as Americans used to consider a European education superior to an American one, it makes sense that the Greeks would educate their best and brightest on the African continent.

Today some Americans revere the Eastern United States as superior, primarily because it's been populated longer. You can't walk two blocks in Philadelphia without coming across an historical marker, Billy Holiday stayed here when she was in town, Oldest Photograph taken here, First Girl Scout Cookies sold at this location (now a municipal building).

What would truly impress me about a civilization would be for it to survive. Then I might take their superstitions more seriously than those who thought the world would end in the year 1000, the highest number they could imagine.

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As we have all seen throughout history is there is no civilization that lasts. NONE. Oh of course we have offshoots and small peoples that survive etc etc. This is a subject that touches many science and history theorists. I have several theories of my own. But, as we have seen throughout history is people do not grow when stagnant or controlled. the control is always thrown off and is usually disasterous of all civilizations.

I have some other theories also that border on metaphyical or total galactic proportions other than just our own planet. There is so much out there that we do not understand in the energy spectrum of the universe. Its time to start thinking outside the "sphere" I might say


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As we have all seen throughout history is there is no civilization that lasts. NONE.

Precisely.

So what is it that makes you believe that the Mayans had any grand view of the universe? They suffered the same fate as every other civilization, they just found that fate sooner than others.

I'm not being "civi-centric", I'm really interested in what attracts anyone to a civilization that had all the same faults (and a few more) than we do today.

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If I might interject an answer here:

 

It's the romanticized version of 'the good ol' days'

 

What people tend to forget is that 'The 'good' old days' usually weren't

Just my opinion.


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My opinion and studies of them have come to realize they possessed something we have lost. This last age of man has changed humans considerabley in some ways and lost many other "mental or mind awareness". Something was different 10,000 years ago. Maybe it was a different area of the galaxy and differnet energy, maybe it was a differnent planet stimulus in a wavelength with our solar system.. who knows, its something you can not explain or prove. The only proof is some of the very interesting things that were a state of mind and reality in that time. Things were very different, people were very different in thoughts, science, and socialisms.

I only wonder what the new next age will bring. We have several prospects of ancients prophecies in very different areas of the world that tell of interesting changes to occur in our next age in mind and thinking more than phyical being.

But as we have seen in the last few hundred years profits, sages, and overall stories really do not come true. So where does that leave you.


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I only wonder what the new next age will bring. We have several prospects of ancients prophecies in very different areas of the world that tell of interesting changes to occur in our next age in mind and thinking more than phyical being.

But as we have seen in the last few hundred years profits, sages, and overall stories really do not come true. So where does that leave you.

 

Aww heck, when you think about it, science as well as religion seems to miss the boat about predicting the future, perhaps we should just stop trying to predict the future?


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Now thats the greatest thing I have heard since instant rice.

Why do people always want to predict... thats just stupid. I dont believe in that crap on an everchanging world.

Just live in the now and forget trying to prophesize...


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Aww heck, when you think about it, science as well as religion seems to miss the boat about predicting the future, perhaps we should just stop trying to predict the future?

 

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Why do people always want to predict... that's just stupid. I dint believe in that crap on an ever changing world.

 

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future."

                             Niels Bohr

 

So why are we so fascinated by ancient civilizations? And why do we try to predict what will happen in the future? Author Huston Smith says of Bohr's quote, "In any case, his point is incontestable: predicting the future is difficult to the point of being foolhardy. Still, to 'look before and aft, and pine for what is not,' is built into the human makeup, so we have no choice."

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True, digging into the past is fun for me anyway

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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future."

Niels Bohr

So why are we so fascinated by ancient civilizations? And why do we try to predict what will happen in the future? Author Huston Smith says of Bohr's quote, "In any case, his point is incontestable: predicting the future is difficult to the point of being foolhardy. Still, to 'look before and aft, and pine for what is not,' is built into the human makeup, so we have no choice."



That's an interesting angle, Kirock.

Bohr had a hand in proving that we can't truly see the present and past.

The desire for knowledge is unending, and the only thing that can't be proven wrong today is tomorrow.

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Over a year's time the Sun transits through the twelve houses of the zodiac. Many of us know this by what "Sun sign" is associated with our birthday. Upping the scale to the Platonic Year - the 26,000 year long cycle - we are shifting, astrologically, from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. The Mayan calendar does not really "end" in 2012, but rather, all the cycles turn over and start again, vibrating to a new era. It is as if humanity and the Earth will graduate in the eyes of the Father Sun and Grandmother Milky Way.

"In terms of prophecy, we are currently in an epoch of enormous change. The millennium has recently passed, and with it has ended the two-thousand-year-long astrological Age of Pisces - the fish, which is also the sign of Jesus. As any astrological symbologist will tell you, the Piscean ideal believes that man must be told what to do by higher powers because man is incapable of thinking for himself. Hence it has been a time of fervent religion. Now, however, we are entering the Age of Aquarius - the water bearer - whose ideals claim that man will learn the truth and be able to think for himself. The ideological shift is enormous, and it is occurring right now."

 

                                                      Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code

 

It seems as though Cyb and The Mayans have another supporter in Brown and The Da Vinci Code. Truth is where you find it.

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