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That sounds like a great plan Walt...... just one little problem.  If people get a green light to shoot the geese then there's always going to be somebody that wants to eat them.  So what are the chances of the geese having e-coli?  Or is this something we would have to do a million dollar study on?  I'm sorry but when the government becomes involved it gets rather complicated.

 

Simple solution: shoot the geese

 

Government solution:  do a three-year study on the effects of the geese flocking to this particular part of the world and keep track of their whereabouts whenever an e-coli outbreak occurs.  Yep let’s capture each goose and tag it, install a black box and don’t let those suckers out of your sight for a second!  Let’s record every vegetable or bug ingested by said geese and where said vegetation or insect was deposited after consumption by the geese.  Let’s tag, tickle and collate every fact, suspicion or rumor about said geese and when all is said and done, let’s get a unanimous vote by parliament before beheading the offenders.  

 

 

 

Or like Walt said……….. let’s shoot the geese.


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Let’s record every vegetable or bug ingested by said geese and where said vegetation or insect was deposited after consumption by the geese.  Let’s tag, tickle and collate every fact, suspicion or rumor about said geese and when all is said and done, let’s get a unanimous vote by parliament before beheading the offenders.

Poetry Chevy. Non-regulation.

 

"Tag, tickle and collate.."

That's a good line!

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E-coli can survive freezing but if you cook the meat thoroughly at a reasonably high temperature then it is no longer a problem.

 

I am not personally interested in goose meat but if you are going to kill them off it would seem a waste to me not to feed the hungry with them, or at least process the meet for pet food.

 

And, it also seems to me that it would be a good idea to at least consider the impacts of your rash actions before you implement your kill plans. A problem in one location that is taken care of by a mass killing can have consequences that impact other areas in very negative ways. Wild geese migrate. Eliminating them from one location can damage the food chain all along their migratory path.

 

Sometimes a government study is not such a bad thing. It is the politics of what to do with the results of the study that is messy.

 

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LOL, here we go again, the attack of the HEALTH POLICE!!! (also known as , 'Taking the fun out of eating people'

 

Fast-Food Grilled Chicken Contains Dangerous Carcinogen, Laboratory Tests Reveal

Doctors’ Group Sues McDonald’s, Burger King, Outback, and Other National Chains Under California Law to Warn Consumers

WASHINGTON—Every sample of grilled chicken products from seven national restaurant chains tested positive for a dangerous carcinogenic compound called PhIP, prompting the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) to file suit under California’s Proposition 65 to compel the restaurants to warn unsuspecting consumers. PCRM is suing McDonald’s, Burger King, Chick-fil-A, Chili’s, Applebee’s, Outback Steakhouse, and TGI Friday’s in The Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles.

PCRM commissioned an independent laboratory to test grilled chicken products from California outlets of all seven chains. PhIP was found in every grilled chicken sample from each restaurant where samples were collected. PhIP is one of a group of carcinogenic compounds called heterocyclic amines (HCAs) that are found in grilled meat. In 2005, the federal government officially added HCAs to its list of carcinogens, and PhIP has been on the California governor’s list of chemicals known to cause cancer for more than a decade.

“Grilled chicken can cause cancer, and consumers deserve to know that this supposedly healthy product is actually just as bad for them as high-fat fried chicken,” says PCRM president Neal Barnard, M.D. “Even a grilled chicken salad increases the risk of breast cancer, prostate cancer, and other forms of this lethal disease.”

For an interview with lead attorney Dan Kinburn, Dr. Barnard, or another PCRM spokesperson, contact Jeanne S. McVey at 202-686-2210, ext. 316, or jeannem@pcrm.org

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research. 

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Latest on the E Coli thing - apparently now they are thinking it MIGHT be caused by WILD PIGS!! The pigs around here, the wild ones, are all a mix of the domestic type brought in from Europe in the 1800s and the local Wild Boar! They can be monstrous up to 550 pounds!! That is a lot of e coli making machine isn't it?!?!?!


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E-Coli Claims Its First Celebrity Death The funeral is Friday...

 

 

 

 


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E-Coli Claims Its First Celebrity Death The funeral is Friday...

 

 

 

It is kind of hard to tell that is Popeye, but that is okay, I never liked open casket funerals anyway.

 

Oddly enough, I had wondered if Popeye would get sick from this outbreak. He probably caught e-coli saving Olive Oil again.

 

 

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The picture was a lot bigger in the email.  I had to upload it into photobucket in order to put it over here.


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The picture was a lot bigger in the email.  I had to upload it into photobucket in order to put it over here.

 

Does Photobucket restrict image size now? If there is an option to turn that off then it is only a setting that is doing this. If there is no option, then it looks like Photobucket is now auto-shrinking people’s pictures.

 

So far, I do not have any major complaints about ImageShack. I am not a heavy user of their service but they do come in handy. And so far, they are not shrinking my images.

 

 

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Here is, yet another outbreak!!!

 

 

 

 E. coli fears prompt recall of lettuce By RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer

 

 

 

SAN FRANCISCO - Less than a week after the Food and Drug Administration lifted its warning on fresh spinach grown in California's Salinas Valley, a popular brand of lettuce grown there was recalled Sunday over concerns about E. coli contamination.

 

The lettuce does not appear to have caused any illnesses, the president of Salinas-based Nunes Co. Inc. said.

 

The lettuce scare comes amid other federal warnings that some brands of spinach, bottled carrot juice and recent shipments of beef could cause grave health risks — including paralysis, respiratory failure and death.

 

Executives ordered the recall after learning that irrigation water may have been contaminated with E. coli, said Tom Nunes Jr., president of the company.

 

So far, company investigators have not found E. coli bacteria in the lettuce itself, Nunes stressed.

 

"We're just reacting to a water test only. We know there's generic E. coli on it, but we're not sure what that means," he said. "We're being extra careful. This is precautionary."

 

The recall covers green leaf lettuce purchased in grocery stores Oct. 3-6 in Arizona, California, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana. It was also sold to distributors in those states who may have sold it to restaurants or institutions.

 

The recalled lettuce was packaged as "Green Leaf 24 Count, waxed carton," and "Green Leaf 18 Count, cellophane sleeve, returnable carton." Packaging is stamped with lot code 6SL0024.

 

FDA spokeswoman Julie Zawisza said the agency is aware of the voluntary recall but had no details.

 

"As a standard course of action, we would expect the firm to identify the source of the contamination and take steps to ... ensure that it doesn't happen again," Zawisza wrote in an e-mail.

 

It's unlikely that the bacteria in the lettuce fields share the source of the E. coli found in spinach that has sickened nearly 200 people and has been linked to three deaths nationwide, Nunes said.

 

Pathogenic Escherichia coli bacteria, or E. coli, can proliferate in uncooked produce, raw milk, unpasteurized juice, contaminated water and meat. When consumed, it may cause diarrhea and bloody stools.

 

Although most healthy adults recover within a week without long-term side effects, some people may develop a form of kidney failure.

 

That illness is most likely to occur in young children, senior citizens and people with compromised immune systems. In extreme cases, it can lead to kidney damage or death.

 

The recall at Nunes Co., a family-owned business with more than 20,000 acres of cropland in Arizona and California, comes days after federal agents searched two Salinas Valley produce companies connected to the nationwide spinach scare.

 

Epidemiologists also warned consumers last week to stay away from some bottled carrot juice after a Florida woman was paralyzed and three people in Georgia experienced respiratory failure, apparently due to botulism poisoning.

 

Also on Friday, an Iowa company announced that it was recalling 5,200 pounds of ground beef suspected of having E. coli. The government said no illnesses have been reported from consumption of the beef.

 

The outbreaks have sparked demands to create a new federal agency in charge of food safety. Sens. Charles Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton, both New York Democrats, are sponsoring legislation authored by Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., to create the unified Food Safety Agency.

 

"This recent outbreak must be a wake-up call to get our food safety house in order, because right now it's in pure disarray," Schumer said at his Manhattan office. "We need to have one agency take charge to ensure the next outbreak isn't far worse."

 

The outbreaks have also devastated the economy of Salinas Valley, the self-proclaimed "Salad Bowl to the World."

 

Farmers in the area, about 100 miles south of San Francisco, began plowing spinach crops under and laying off workers last month, as government inspectors examined fields and packing houses for the source of the deadly outbreak.

 

Nunes said he upgraded safety inspection protocols in wake of the spinach scare.

 

"There's a high level of urgency in our industry, and we're being very proactive," Nunes said. "It's obviously based upon recent events in the produce industry and concern for customers. We just don't want anything to happen."

 


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They're just trying to get us to stop eating EVERYTHING!

 

 

Photobucket resizes pictures so yes, I guess they do shrink them some.  But the resizing is to accommodate online places like this where the pics won't be too large.  I have to say, this is the smallest that any have ever turned out.


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They're just trying to get us to stop eating EVERYTHING!

 

 

Photobucket resizes pictures so yes, I guess they do shrink them some.  But the resizing is to accommodate online places like this where the pics won't be too large.  I have to say, this is the smallest that any have ever turned out.

It had seemed to me, a long time ago, that when  product portion sizes had continued to shrink for some time, that the powers that be wanted to eventually wean people off food altogether.

 

Either that or they just wanted us to buy twice or three times as much product so we could double or triple their profits.

 

Comprehending a little about human nature, whichever one of those two possibilities is the more diabolical is the one most likely to be closer to the truth.

 

As for the e-coli outbreak, this does not look like an accident anymore. I have not heard the latest news but the last news I did hear did not seem to be adding up to anything good.

 

 

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 FINALLY! We now know 'the truth'!!!! E. Coli cause by 'Al Queda' Cows!!!!

 

 

Spinach E. Coli outbreak linked to cow manure By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

2 hours, 36 minutes ago

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cattle manure from a ranch in California's Salinas Valley carries        E. coli bacteria that match the strain that killed three Americans and sickened 200, U.S. health officials said on Thursday.

 

Samples taken from three cattle at a ranch precisely match the strain of E. coli 0157:H7 taken from patients and from bags of spinach linked to the outbreak, Dr. Kevin Reilly, deputy director of the Prevention Services Division at the California Department of Health told reporters.

 

"This is a significant finding and it is the first time that we have linked a ... E. coli 0157:H7 outbreak to a specific ranch in the Salinas Valley," Reilly said.

 

Reilly said the outbreak had been traced to four farms in San Benito and Monterey counties in central California.

 

"Not all of them have both livestock and production of fresh spinach or produce right there right next to each other. This particular ranch that we just talked about does have that."

 

He said cattle were between a mile and half a mile from the spinach fields on the ranch.

 

The U.S.        Food and Drug Administration, which is leading the investigation into the outbreak, has been expressing concern for weeks that cattle were close to spinach, lettuce and other vegetable fields on some of the farms.

 

Escherichia coli is a usually harmless bacteria normally resident in the guts of animals, including humans. A new and pathogenic strain called E. coli O157:H7 was identified in 1982 and now causes an estimated 73,000 cases of infection and 60 deaths in the United States each year.

 

Most illness has been associated with undercooked, contaminated ground beef. But if contaminated manure gets into irrigation water or is used in fertilizer, it can get onto fresh produce or the water supply.

 

The FDA and California health officials have been looking at irrigation practices, whether E. coli was seeping into the groundwater and the possibility animals or people may have spread the bacteria onto the produce.

 

It was also possible the spinach was contaminated at the packing plant, the FDA has said.

 

"We continue to try to determine the connection between this finding and how the spinach on the field might have been contaminated," Reilly said.

 

"We do not have a smoking cow at this point now," he said.

 

Wild pigs are common in the area and move around the fields, Reilly said. He said there was no evidence the cattle had walked through the spinach fields.

 

Reilly and an FDA official said tests were ongoing to see if the deadly E. coli strain could be found at the other three farms under investigation.

 


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Alright, NOW I am fully confused!!!!!

 

 

 Full-fat dairy products linked to lower weight By Amy Norton

Sun Jan 7, 5:43 AM ET

 

 

 

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Though health-conscious eaters often shun whole milk, a new study suggests that adults who favor full-fat dairy gain less weight over time.

 

Swedish researchers found that among more than 19,000 middle-aged women, those who had at least one serving of whole milk or cheese each day put on less weight over the next 9 years than women who consumed these foods less often.

 

The potential role of dairy foods in weight control won much attention after some recent studies suggested that milk, yogurt and other dairy foods might help regulate body fat. However, the picture is far from clear, as other research has failed to find that dairy products benefit the waistline.

 

The new findings, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, are unlikely to clear up the confusion.

 

For one thing, only whole milk, and not low-fat milk, seemed to offer protection against weight gain. For another, the benefit was seen only among women who were normal-weight at the start of the study.

 

It's always possible that the associations between dairy intake and weight gain do not reflect a direct action of dairy foods at all, according to Dr. Magdalena Rosell, a researcher at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and the study's lead author.

 

Eating habits can be seen as a marker of overall lifestyle, and women who favored whole milk might have had other habits that aided their weight control, Rosell told Reuters Health.

 

It's also possible that women who had already been gaining weight opted to drink low-fat milk -- making the milk a "marker," but not a cause, of weight gain, according to Rosell.

 

The findings are based on data from 19,352 women ages 40 to 55 who were surveyed about their diets, weight and other health factors at the study's outset and again 9 years later.

 

Women who said they had whole milk or cheese at least once a day throughout the study period were less likely to report a significant weight gain -- defined as 2 pounds or more per year.

 

One theory on why dairy products have been linked to lower body weight is that the calcium aids in fat regulation, but a number of studies have refuted that notion. The new findings cast further doubt, since low-fat milk showed no positive weight effects.

 

It's possible, according to Rosell, that a type of fat found in dairy foods called conjugated linoleic acid, or CLA, aids in weight control.

 

However, she added, there's not enough evidence yet to support that idea. At this point, there's no reason, Rosell said, for people to eschew the general advice to choose low-fat dairy products, which are lower in artery-clogging saturated fats.

 

"From what we know today, I do not see any reasons to change that recommendation," she said.

 

SOURCE: American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, December 2006.

 


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Alright, NOW I am fully confused!!!!!

 

 

So are they, apparently.

 

I love it when scientists get confused.  There is something in me that just LOVES the inexplicable.  I think it is because "we" feel that EVERYTHING can be disected and studied and totally understood.  I love it when something pops up that lets all the braniacs out there REMEMBER that sometimes "nature" is just smarter than we are.

 


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