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Careless or not, I feel that Carter was right on the mark!

 

 

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Carter says comments were ‘careless’

39th president had blasted Bush administration as ‘worst in history’

 

 

 

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Former President Jimmy Carter on Monday said his comments over the weekend about the Bush administration were “careless.”

Carter was quoted Saturday as saying “I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history.”

The Georgia Democrat said Bush had overseen an “overt reversal of America’s basic values” as expressed by previous administrations, including that of his own father, former President George H.W. Bush.

Interviewed on the TODAY Show about the comments, Carter said, "They were maybe careless or misinterpreted." He said he “certainly was not talking personally about any president.”

When pressed by NBC’s Meredith Vieira as to whether he was saying his remarks were careless or reckless, the former president said, “I think they were, yes, because they were interpreted as comparing this whole administration to all other administrations."

Carter said he was answering a question about the foreign policy of former President Richard Nixon, as compared with that of the current administration. He said he wasn't comparing the Bush administration with all those through American history. But in comparison to Nixon's, the Bush administration's foreign policy "was much worse," Carter said.

On Sunday, in a biting rebuke, the White House dismissed Carter as “increasingly irrelevant."

“I think it’s sad that President Carter’s reckless personal criticism is out there,” White House spokesman Tony Fratto responded Sunday from Crawford, where Bush spent the weekend.

“I think it’s unfortunate,” Fratto said. “And I think he is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments.”

Carter made the comments to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in a story that appeared in the newspaper’s Saturday editions. 

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Carter has been an outspoken critic of Bush, but the White House has largely refrained from attacking him in return. Sunday’s sharp response marks a departure from the deference that sitting presidents traditionally have shown their predecessors.

In the newspaper interview, Carter said Bush had taken a ”radical departure from all previous administration policies” with the Iraq war.

“We now have endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war where we go to war with another nation militarily, even though our own security is not directly threatened, if we want to change the regime there or if we fear that some time in the future our security might be endangered,” Carter said.

In a separate BBC interview, Carter also denounced the close relationship between Bush and outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

“Abominable. Loyal, blind, apparently subservient,” Carter said when asked how he would characterize Blair’s relationship with Bush.

“I think that the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major tragedy for the world,” Carter said.

Carter, who was president from 1977 to 1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize for his charitable work, was an outspoken opponent of the invasion of Iraq before it was launched in 2003.

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Well, in comparison, IF Carter had actually sent the military (not just a real smal force) to try to rescue the hostages, perhaps I would think he had a better leg to stand on, instead he just waited and waited, and o yeah, he also alowed the military strength to drop to even LOWER levels (comparitively) than wat we have today. Oh sure, he has a lot to back up his comparison. By the way, wasn't it Carter that the 'gas shortages' that weren't really there, during his term? 

I believe the proper saying here has something to do with glass and stones?

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Sorry, I had to add this as well -



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No one said that Carter was perfect or had the ideal administration... but there is no way you will ever convince me that he was even a quarter as bad as Bush and the Bush administration are. There is just no way.

 

Carter had, and still has, better moral values than Bush will ever have.

 

 

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Better? Worse? The same? Well, that would be a matter of perspective, I reckon. However, I wil say this: IF Carter is the person he is claiming to be, then why would he not just leave it at, 'This Administration might be our worse thus far?' That would have left out HIS own legacy of record inflation, record gas prices (with faked shortages, THAT HE APPROVED!!!), the hostage crisis, or any other of his gutless administrations acts! Carter is the otherside of a bad coin, Bush is the other. I won't say different, I just see the two as the same thing, the ying/yang, etc. Bush and Carter are twins, completely polar opposite of each other but both reacted poorly to attacks on our nation. One did nothing, one went too far, neither did a thing to prevent oil prices from sky rocketing, BOTH in fact, help those prices to go upwards! One did nothin to stop inflation, one did nothing to really help the poor get ahead. BOTH of those inactions did the same to this nations poor! That is, NOTHING BUT HARM! Of course, one had rocketing mortgage prices and the other had a record number of new home buyers, but only time can tell if those new owners will keep their homes. 

Now, about morals? Who can say whose is better than whose? I do not know either of them otside of what I read about or hear about in the media, and we all know how NOT slanted they are (sarcasm here). I can only go with what I experienced personally. And, despite Bush's many mis-steps, I have seen 'better' things out of Bush than I did out of Carter. Therefore; in MY opinion, Carter's was the worst of the two administrations .



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Lets see now, rent is higher than ever, gas prices are higher than ever, electric bills are higher than ever, food prices are higher than ever, and pretty much everything cost more than ever... and you think Carter was as bad as Bush???

 

Sorry, I strongly disagree!

 

Right now the housing market is showing signs of collapse in most places because of all the shady financing deals that the government made no attempt to stop. More and more people are losing their homes. Here in Washington State, the housing market is still strong, but this too is a major problem. Rents are getting so high that those living on a fixed income cannot afford them anymore... even with HUD (housing assistance) paying the larger part of the bill. Oh, and HUD cut back on the amount they help too.

 

In my apartment complex, people who have lived here for decades have been forced out. Month after month another apartment gets emptied out and another familiar face has to leave. And ya know what? I consider this apartment complex about upper class slum level and yet the poor cannot afford to live here anymore. Just where are they moving to?

 

In fact, my rental agreement is up for renewal and I am not sure I can take the new rent... especially with the backdoor increase they tacked onto the rent increase. Water and sewage used to be part of rent, now it is an extra charge that is not included with rent so HUD will not cover it. It all adds up to a rent increase of about $83.00 for me and with the cost of living as sky high as it is now, I don't think I can pay it. At this time, I am wondering where in the hell am I going to find a place that I can afford. Will it be a one room shack? Will I be forced out onto the streets?

 

You tell me Bush isn't so bad? Well, I think he is one $#!**y President.

 

Anyway, I don't remember having to face the possibility of living on the streets when Carter was president. We couldn’t afford to buy a home but at least WE DID HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE!!!

 

Today, a fixed income is just not enough to live with.

 

 

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Well, you got me there, rent IS increasig, but you know what I noticed? IT WAS STARTING WHILE CLINTON WAS STILL IN OFFICE (at least out here where I live!) In fact, my wife and I nearly forced rent control over here because of al the greedy land lords in our area! This was in late '98-early '99, so you take from that what you will.

No, Bush didn't do anything to stem the tide of high rent, rent that was already getting out of control, neither did he do anything to stop the increase in property costs, which lead, by the way to higher rents! I agreed earlier, Bush isn't the best, but he is not the worst. At best he is average, at worst (again, in my opinion), he just 'stayed the course'!

But, again, this is how I see it from living out here in CA. Oh, and by the way, even with a manager's salary, in 1996-'97 I was lterally a paycheck from the streets! I already had to live in a motel AND I was making 33k a year, but out here, may as well have been 10K!!!!

But now, I have a REALLY great landlord, they even lowered our rent when I went on SS! Unfortunately, not every rental owner is NOT in it for the money ONLY!

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so much bush bashing and so little time......

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Sorry but comparing Carter to Bush is the proverbial apples to oranges argument. The problems and conditions of the world are entirely different. Yes, Carter's administration was a gentler, kinder one, but the hostages were being held in Iran, the terrorists hadn't struck within the borders of the country. I don't believe that Carter could have dealt with the kind of terrorism that exists today.
 
The Bush administration had no choice but to be tough after what happened. They never really had a chance to run the country in a time of peace like existed while Carter was president. As I recall Carter did a lot of cutting of military spending and weakening of the military. Its a good thing it was rebuilt by other administrations before todays kind of terrorism began.
 
Don't get me wrong, Carter was one of my favorite Presidents, but he has been a better gentleman and statesmen since being President, then he was a President. At least if measured by military ability to defend the country. He would have stood in the forefront of peace until the last possible moment, until more had died at the hands of terrorism, quite possibly himself.
 
Carter, in todays age of terrorism, could be compared to Edith Keeler in the original Trek episode, "City On The Edge Of Forever."
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Carter blasts US policy on Palestinians

By SHAWN POGATCHNIK, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 35 minutes ago

DUBLIN, Ireland - Former President Jimmy Carter accused the U.S., Israel and the European Union on Tuesday of seeking to divide the Palestinian people by reopening aid to President Mahmoud Abbas' new government in the West Bank while denying the same to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who was addressing a human rights conference in Ireland, also said the Bush administration's refusal to accept Hamas' 2006 election victory was "criminal."

Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with Abbas' moderate Fatah movement.

Hamas fighters routed Fatah in their violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last week. The split prompted Abbas to dissolve the power-sharing government with his rivals in Hamas and set up a Fatah-led administration to govern the West Bank.

Carter said the consensus of the U.S., Israel and the EU to start funneling aid to Abbas' new government in the West Bank but continue blocking Hamas in the Gaza Strip represented an "effort to divide Palestinians into two peoples."

"All efforts of the international community should be to reconcile the two, but there's no effort from the outside to bring the two together," he said.

The U.S. and European countries cut off the Hamas-led government last year because of the Islamic militant group's refusal to renounce violence and recognize Israel. They have continued to send humanitarian aid to Gaza through the United Nations and other organizations.

In the latest crisis, the U.S., Israel and much of the West have been trying to shore up Abbas in hopes that the West Bank can be made into a democratic example that would bring along Gaza.

During his speech to Ireland's annual Forum on Human Rights, the 83-year-old former president said monitors from his Carter Center observed the 2006 election that Hamas won. He said the vote was "orderly and fair" and Hamas triumphed, in part, because it was "shrewd in selecting candidates," whereas a divided, corrupt Fatah ran multiple candidates for single seats.

Far from encouraging Hamas' move into parliamentary politics, Carter said the U.S. and Israel, with European Union acquiescence, sought to subvert the outcome by shunning Hamas and helping Abbas to keep the reins of political and military power.

"That action was criminal," he said in a news conference after his speech.

"The United States and Israel decided to punish all the people in Palestine and did everything they could to deter a compromise between Hamas and Fatah," he said.

Carter said the U.S. and others supplied the Fatah-controlled security forces in Gaza with vastly superior weaponry in hopes they would "conquer Hamas in Gaza" — but Hamas routed Fatah in the fighting last week because of its "superior skills and discipline."
 
 
So, someone remind me again just WHAT has Hamas done to even suggest they would think about CONTEMPLATING a peaceful coexistence next to Isreal? I am remembering how they have reacted in the past to 'cease-fires' (gather strength, lob a few rockets across the border). NOT once, NOT twice, but EVERYTIME!!! Apparently Carter seems to've forgottenthis little FACT!!!

I agree, Hamas has superior skills and discipline, but that really doesn't make them able to actually KEEP their word, rather, it doesn't mean they WILL keep it. EDspecially when their very own charter states right at the FIRST line to ERRADICATE ISRAEL AT ALL COSTS!!!!!

I know he is beloved on this board, but he is, like Reagan, becoming senile! Carter, either keep your yap shut, or say how you feel in THIS country, or in Isreal, or Even in Palestine on EITHER side of the controlled areas!!!

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