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After the start to the first half of this season of Stargate, when they introduced the idea of the Holy Grail, and the Knights of King Arthur, I got back to reading some of the books I have collected over the years about the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Roundtable. My search led me to some interesting discoveries about the origin of the Knights of King Arthur and perhaps the reasoning behind bringing them into the Stargate storyline about the Ori. It seems as though some of the writers behind Stargate have at least a passing interest in the Knights Templar who have been believed to be the keepers of the Holy Grail, and who still today have a remnant of descendants who still claim to protect the Holy Grail, or Grail secrets. The writers seem to be using many elements from the true story of history, but they do tend to mix things up to suit their needs for the show.

The first thing I discovered was that the roots of the Arthurian Knights could be traced back to the year 1119 when 9 knights , on Christmas Day, formed an order to protect pilgrims who went to visit the Holy Land, and to fight against the Muslim invaders of the Holy Land. They took their vows in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and had their quarters in the palace of the king, the palace the king had made out of the al-Aqsa mosque after the Muslims had been driven out of the Holy Land. This mosque is on the south edge of the Temple Mount and was known as the Temple of Solomon.

The order was known as, 'The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon,' then, 'The Knights of the Temple of Solomon,''The Knights of the Temple,' and 'the Templars' or simply 'The Temple.'

The next thing I discovered, that I had not heard before, and that ties them into the Stargate story line, is that there was a secret order behind the Templars, known as the Prieure de Sion. To us that would be the Priory of Sion. The connection I see with Stargate is the Priors of the Ori, a prior of the Ori sounds like priori, priory. Now in history the Priory of Sion and the Templars (the forerunners of the Arthurian Knights) were the good guys, but in Stargate, the Ori and the Priors are the bad guys. One of the little mix ups the writers use to set up the show.

The Priory of Sion was the organization in the background that established and used the Templars as their military wing, the group that did all the fighting for them. In Stargate you have the Ori in the background, with the Priors going out and spreading the word of Origin, and at the end of the first half of the season it looked like they may be recruiting the Jaffa as their military wing.

Another interesting thing I came across was an early leader of the Roman Catholic church who's name was Origen. Many people of the time didn't have any liking or respect for Origen because he wanted to force his religious beliefs on everyone else - much like the Ori want to force their religion, called Origin, on everyone else. Author Piers P. Read says of him, "Origen purged the scriptures of the apocryphal Gospels and established the authenticity of the New Testament as we know it today."

You see within the show how bad a thing it is for the Ori to trick people into believing, or force them into believing - then you find out that some long ago Church leader took it upon himself to decide what, in his opinion, should and should not be included as canon in the Bible. Are the Stargate writers trying to say something here?

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Clearly so.  Christianity after being high jacked by the Romans became a very bloody and ugly thing. Their brutalized version of Christianity dominated Europe for centuries and set back progress for all that time.

 

Post Roman Christianity, turned into Catholicism, was very cruel, bloody, and power hungry for a very long time.

 

Only when the Catholic Church began to lose its stranglehold over the people did progress and free thought become possible again.

 

So, yes, there are many parallels with the Ori and Origin to reality as it was in our real history.

 

 

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Religion is ALWAYS a very touchy subject.... sometimes it is VERY difficult to tell wether what is being preached really is God's word or really are the words of the person speaking.   I will NEVER understand how people spreading a religion based on love, or ANY religion,  can feel it is right to do such terrible things to other people.  And the WORST part is that it is STILL being done somewhere.

 

I found your research about Origen REALLY interesting.  As much as I dislike the writing on Stargate this year, I'm sure they are very intelligent people who had knowledge of that guy.... at least I *THINK* they are intelligent... top 10...eerrr 40% of their class.


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Why does Friday the 13th have such a bad wrap?

Friday, October 13th, 1307 - Friday, January 13th, 2006

This post is for all the people on Stargate this season who have burst into flames.

 

By the early 1300's the Knights Templars had become very powerful as a military branch of the church, and King Philip IV of France, who had developed considerable political power of his own, decided he wanted to call another crusade to the Holy Land. He tried to use his political power to join the Knights Templars and the Knights Hospitallers (another military order of knights) into one unified force to use on the crusade. The Templars refused to join with the Hospitallers for any crusade because they believed the King's motives were political rather than a genuine religious desire to drive the infidels out of the Holy Land.

King Philip was so enraged when the Templars refused to do his bidding that he decided to use his political power to destroy the Order of the Templars instead. He sent the word out to the police and military in all the areas he controlled, and in all the areas controlled by his allies, to prepare to arrest all the members of the Templars. On Friday, October 13th, 1307, the day after being a pallbearer for the King's sister-in-law, the Templars Grand Master, James Molay, was arrested and imprisoned by King Philip's men. They also rounded up approximately 15,000 members of the Templars throughout Europe.

After watching there fellow Templars being burned at the stake, being tortured on the rack, and having their feet soaked in oil and held over the fire, "some" of the Templars confessed to the accusations brought against them. Later, when they were taken from the custody of the military and brought before Pope Clement V and placed under his protection, they recanted their confessions and said they only confessed because of the torture. The Pope, realizing that King Philip had more power at the time than the church, chose to abandon the Order that had fought so many battles for him in the Holy Land.

The members of the Templars were slowly tortured and executed over the next 7 years. In May of 1311, on a Monday (this may be how Mondays got such a bad reputation), 54 Templars were burned at the stake at the same time, because they refused to confess to the false charges against them. Three years later, in March of 1314, the Grand Master of the Templars was burned at the stake, still maintaining the innocence of himself and the order. As he died he called out that Pope Clement V and King Philip IV should, "before the year is out appear before the tribunal of God."

The Pope died one month later on April 20th, and King Philip followed him in death on the 29th of November. Some believe that this proved the innocence of the Order of the Knights Templar, and that they really did fight for God.

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