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I'm going to start this off with a quote from Cyb's Mayan 2012 thread about the end of the world, well, the end of this world calender.

 

"The Great Cycle, lasting 1,872,000 days and equivalent to 5,125.36 years, is but one fifth of the Great Great Cycle, known scientifically as the Great Year or the Platonic Year - the length of the precession of the equinoxes. To use a metaphor from the modern industrial world, on Winter Solstice CE (Common Era) 2012 it is as if the Giant Odometer of Humanity on Earth hits 100,000 miles and all the cycles big and small turn over to begin anew. The present world age will end and a new world age will begin."

 

The prediction of the "end of the world" is found in many diverse cultures around the world with the Mayan being the closest, geographically speaking, civilization to us (although there may be something similar in some of the Native American cultures). It is also to be found in many religions, and in the Christian Bible itself.

 

But like Cyb has pointed out many times, the "end of the world" doesn't necessarily mean the world itself will end. It could also simply mean a new order of things, the "end of the world" as we know it, but the beginning of a new world. Even the Bible, when it talks of the end of the world, says there will be a new "heavens and new earth."

 

I've always taken the Bible's "end of the world" more as a reference to the end of evil, the destruction of evil, rather than a destruction of the planet. I see it as a time when all evil will be eliminated and only the good, the kind, the right remains. Religionists would say a time when only the "righteous" remain.

 

That is kind of what Cyb is saying, without the religious conotations. He doesn't see it as the "end of the world" but a new era of goodness when we will have a higher consciousness that will raise us above the petty problems of today, a consciousness that will raise us above our limited concepts of good an evil.

 

Did anyone see the show on, I think it was the History channel, about Edgar Cayce about two weeks ago. It told how he explained what it was like when he was in one of his trance states that allowed him to predict things. He said that he ascended higher up through the planes of existence to a point where all time was one, where everything that ever happened or would happen was happening right then, everything at the same time and place. Once there he could see what was going to happen and warn others about it.

 

These thoughts all came together for me while I was reading, yes, that Star Trek book again. This comes from "Honor Blade," the book by Diane Duane. She put these words in Scotty's mouth, "Space is God's way of keeping everything from happening in the same place, and Time is God's way of keeping everything from happening at once."

 

Maybe this "end of the world," this change of the calendar, is the time that human consciousness begins to approach that plane of existence, that higher consciousness where we see all the consequences of what we do before we do them. And being able to see the consequences of our actions ahead of time we will be able to avoid the evil and focus on only the good.

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       Speaking biblicaly hypothetically; even then 'end' of all things evil, doesn't it also say that Satan would be released from his chains to 'wreak havoc' (or something) for another thousand years or so? and then AFTER that is when the true 'end of evil' starts, after Satan gets to 'weed out' the weak and unbelievers once again. Let's face it, it wouldn't take a thousand years to get people to doubt, to forget, heck, we forget from year to year who our enemies really are and what our own governments do to us from one election to the next! A THOUSAND YEARS!?!?!?! Oh yeah, people will forget by the second century and start casting doubt on everything that had already happened. They will forget about, for instance, the Anti-Christ, the wars that led up to the 'final battle', everything!

       

Hypothetically speaking of course.


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From a christian point of view and what is in that book of stories is my opinion this is hte thousand years of evil coming to an end. From many other religions so of the same aspects are going on. Predictions are not true anymore.

My overall study of the 2012 incident is just about astronomy at this point. The cosmic and metaphysical aspect is another topic of mine to myself. You can all choose to believe what you want because that is the only thing you get in life is to "choose" what you want. walk your own path. I will not tell anyone what to do and nobody else should either. OR whether it right or wrong. I believe that time is fast approaching who may be into higher thinking and what its really means.

As for the precession that IS going to happen and we start down a new age of precession all over again, cycles as always in the cosmos. Restart of the galactic cycles all over again from 1 to 25.920 years. Now as to what to expect well there are tons of theories and expectations, but NO one can truely tell you whats going to happen. we are not that mentally advanced yet and will not get there until quite a few of some things change.

As for the energies of the universe changing or rewriting our DNA, reprogramming etc etc etc.... who knows. I do believe that the good of the duality of this age will prevail. Thinking will change in all things, we will advance.. well most. the stubborn small minded, literals, fanatics, non tolerance, and conformers will be dealt with in my opinion by the universe or planet in its own time. I have many by a lack of a better term a high understanding and respect for the "metaphysical" of this universe. There are things here that are far beyond out concepts now. but may change in the future.

There are those that respect that the planet and universe are far more complex and grander than you can imagine.... remember the world is not flat. That thinking went out 200 years ago. Continue to grow with knowledge and understanding no matter what your first instinct is. You instinct is your god trust it. obsolete, antiquated books and metaphored stories will only hinder your growth. But of course this is only my opinion and no one here truely knows me or what I do, so what do I know......

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       Again, hypothetically speaking from a Christian POV, we really cannot be in that last thousand years if for no other reason than we still haven't had ONE world government! We have never had ONE world government nor ONE person the whole world looked as as the 'leader' of the world. And since 'cashy money' can still be used everywhere regardless of who you are or not, that part has yet to come to fruition either. Hypothetically, IF we are looking for these parts of that story to come true, we are still waiting. I know in the past there have been people that say 'the end is near' and the 'signs are here' when in fact, the signs weren't there. We have only recently had the technology to actually REACH everyone on the planet and there are still huge areas unreached! Heck, my wife's coworker refuses to even have an answering machine, let alone a computer! They say that less than half of the U.S. citizens even have a computer at home even today!!! And WE are the most technologically advanced nation on Earth! I believe we have yet to reach this 'end game', but, that is in MY humble opinion. (and NOT hypothetically)


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 remember the world is not flat. That thinking went out 200 years ago.


I'm pretty sure that thinking was out long before 1806.  By at least 150% of your factor.

A flaw like that in your thesis pretty much throws out your entire argument. Why not take a little time and read over your posts, so we can know that what you wrote is actually what you meant to say?

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hmmm I doubt it. Seems to still be allot of flat thinkers today. So .....

Lets see who gets there first. I tend to speak in my own version of metaphores and tripes to see who is really on and who isn't.
 

I like to see who takes things more literal and who is really on the up. It keeps me from directly offending anyone, which in turn doesn't always work. But I say things I need to say in my own way. Sorry I you can't keep up.




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"In terms of prophecy, we are currently in an epoch of enormous change. The millennium has recently passed, and with it has ended the two-thousand-year-long astrological Age of Pisces - the fish, which is also the sign of Jesus. As any astrological symbologist will tell you, the Piscean ideal believes that man must be told what to do by higher powers because man is incapable of thinking for himself. Hence it has been a time of fervent religion. Now, however, we are entering the Age of Aquarius - the water bearer - whose ideals claim that man will learn the truth and be able to think for himself. The ideological shift is enormous, and it is occurring right now." -Teabing

 

"The Church calls this transitional period the End of Days." -Langdon

 

"As in the end of the world? The Apocalypse?"- Sophie

 

"No. That's a common misconception. Many religions speak of the End of Days. It refers not to the end of the world, but rather the end of our current age -Pisces, which began at the time of Christ's birth, spanned two thousand years, and waned with the passing of the millennium. Now that we've passed into the Age of Aquarius, the End of Days has arrived." -Langdon

 

 

This is just an interesting little tidbit I had read in The Da Vinci Code that tied into what we were discussing here, sorry it took me so long to dig it up to post here.

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Major changes. And end to things then.

 

I believe the bible has it's knowing... weather you be Christian or not. Which I am... but have constently seen new depth to things written in the Bible. It is a book that speaks to many on different levels. The reason so many argue over it is because it was meant to be able to reach the less evolved that need to have guidance and the more evolved as well. It was a book written to encompase many.

 

When I learn something new, I see a passage a whole new way. And perhaps it is wrong and the old way I saw it was right, who is to say... but that any book can have so many versions of a truth can not be ignored.

 

Yes there are versions to a truth. Because it is for the beholder, the viewer, the seeing to know a truth and understand it. The reality factor.  So while some may be able to see the shades of red in purple others will only be able to see the blue. But both colors are there, and perhaps even more that another eye designed to see more of the spectrum might register?

 

I am still trying to struggle with how I tie my belief in God and Jesus in with my many other beliefs of what I have seen and read. But again I have to say that I have many times made simple assumptions about what a statement meant or to why God warns us of something, only to be later floored by how right the Bible was and how wrong I was to assume.

 

I think that we also do this to many beliefs. Many things from native cultures we simplify and look at it as barbaric. Then miss a whole deapth and awareness they understood.

 

Change, ending to things... does not mean all life, but life as we know it. That is something major.


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Change is right. Its right around the corner for our solar system. OF course my thoughts on your bible and what this truely is you would not like. So I will leave that to you. every one walks their own path! find the truths and you will be free. There is allot of things happening in our cosmos at the moment in this final precession change coming up. astronomy is the key. look for the clues. they are everywhere. Every ancient civization knew this.... its too bad small minded corruption turned it into something else.  around 2012 is our solar system starting of precession new year of 25,690 years over again... neat i say. which is broken down into small units and years of other changes. so anyhoooos. if you want to know more I can tell you.

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new developments are happening....stay tuned!!!!

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